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EI Digin
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Posted - 2014.03.25 23:46:00 -
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If you don't like what he did, why don't you do something about it instead of crying on the forums trying to get someone else to do something?
Dispensing your own justice is what this game is all about. You have yourself a valid cause. Do something about it. |

EI Digin
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Posted - 2014.03.25 23:58:00 -
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Tancred Xero wrote:The guy literally never undocks. There is nothing TO do about it; the game prevents it. Are you sure?
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EI Digin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.03.26 00:44:00 -
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Snitches Laden wrote: I find it interesting how people justify his actions regardless of them being allowed or not by game policy yet these same individuals would have probally acted in the same fashion had this happened to them.
food for thought the the german populous drank the **** koolaid to and look what it got them. just because something is legally okay doesn't make it morally right.
aaaaand Godwin's law.
I think this thread has run its course. |

EI Digin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:07:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Its irrelevant. Mail him and ask yourself if you wish for an answer to that question.
None of what happened in the TS "Bonus Room" is any of CCPs concern or business.
What is of concern to CCP and the community at large, is Erotica1s activities of actively predating on the community for victims with ingame scams that he extends to OUTSIDE THE GAME.
You cant do that. Its against the EULA.
Scams are fine within the game, it is NOT ok to scam people OUTSIDE the game.
And what assets did he lose IRL? |

EI Digin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:31:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Yeah, that was pretty funny.
I do wonder what Ripard is up to, though. Clearly he's trying to force a confrontation with CCP on the matter by trying a media blitz after his own fashion. As evidenced by his use of as much hot button, inflamatory, charged language as he can shovel into his blog.
Did he just not get his way on something, and is throwing this tantrum now?
He's getting exactly what he wanted, attention for his blog.
Hope it was worth it.
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EI Digin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:41:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:There is also a section in the EULA which deals with criminal acts. Recording and publishing information that should be private, as in private conversations is defamation, is a breach of privacy. You cannot record a private conversation and publish that conversation on the EvE forums without breaking the law. The person must be told they are being recorded and the person must give consent to that recording being published.
I don't think you know how the law works. |

EI Digin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:45:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:EI Digin wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:There is also a section in the EULA which deals with criminal acts. Recording and publishing information that should be private, as in private conversations is defamation, is a breach of privacy. You cannot record a private conversation and publish that conversation on the EvE forums without breaking the law. The person must be told they are being recorded and the person must give consent to that recording being published. I don't think you know how the law works. I'm a qualified paralegal. I'm the president of the United States. |

EI Digin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:54:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:CCP has a legal obligation to maximize profit. Agree or not, that's the way it is. CCP is not a publicly traded company.
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EI Digin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:56:00 -
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Feyth Yinleq wrote:I also wonder how it is possible that so vulnerable people can be playing EVE online. Let's face it, you have to be mentally damaged to want to play this game.
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EI Digin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.03.26 02:58:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: Consent is only valid if its given freely and without coercion. Since the method is to remove a persons virtual property and using that as a means of obtaining the consent that consent is not given freely and so its voided.
Does this mean I can get my bitcoins back??? |

EI Digin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.03.26 03:09:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Xuixien wrote:...but not violating any rules, regulations, laws, etcetc. Because it happens outside of the game, (and even if it happens inside it) all local and international rules, regulations and laws apply. As I have demonstrated earlier in this thread, if any of the victims wish to make a police report on how they where treated in the TS, and/or how they where coerced into that TS, that is their prerogative. Good luck as a defendant explaining to a Judge or Jury that: "Well, your Honor, it was a scam...!" The hammer will drop on you instantly. There is so much legally wrong with what Erotica1 is doing that imo it could potentially be prosecuted as any number of crimes. Some of you seem to have forgotten where the difference between the game and reality is. You can't go around scamming people IRL, as you do in EVE. Which is exactly what this "Bonus Room" is. There is a massive set of complex systems that you can't even begin to imagine without years of legal studies which prevent you, me and everyone else from doing so. Its a huge legal liability for CCP too, because who knows what could potentially culminate out of this degree of OUT OF GAME abuse of other players, including someone getting physically hurt or at worst some nut showing up to a Fanfest with a home-made pipebomb. Just drop the garbage. The majority of the community does not want this kind of **** in their EVE experience.
I feel that I am being scammed IRL as I am somehow supposed to believe that there is a living, breathing human being typing these words in. |

EI Digin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.03.26 03:10:00 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:EI Digin wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: Consent is only valid if its given freely and without coercion. Since the method is to remove a persons virtual property and using that as a means of obtaining the consent that consent is not given freely and so its voided.
Does this mean I can get my bitcoins back??? I have no idea about your bitcoins. There are exceptions to consent and coercion. Banks requiring you to sign a contract which gives them right to penalize you with late fee's or otherwise not allowing you to open an account I guess is coercion. Even though you don't agree with the late fee's being unable to open an account, which is a requirement to live coerces you into signing the agreement for example. But I don't think that applies to the consent to publish embarrassing and humiliating material on a public forum or you lose all your stuff. I think that'd be a hard one to get past a magistrate or judge if you were sued. When you quit the game, are you going to stop posting? Because that will truly spark another era of eve-o general forum posting. |

EI Digin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.03.26 03:17:00 -
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Eve Online: Terrorist breeding ground? |

EI Digin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.03.26 03:31:00 -
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Personally, I am shaking in my boots over this eve-o general forum thread. |

EI Digin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.03.26 03:39:00 -
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Banning people because their activities are "bad press" sets a horrible precedent. You know this. |

EI Digin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.03.26 03:43:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:EI Digin wrote:Banning people because their activities are "bad press" sets a horrible precedent. You know this. But a private organization has every right to do that. They sure do. It doesn't mean it would be a good decision. |

EI Digin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.03.26 03:58:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:baltec1 wrote:Shizuken wrote:baltec1 wrote:
E1 did non of those things while the "victim" did fall under Harassment for his racially offensive and being threatening to another player.
He continuously baited someone with promises of giving his stuff back, while asking him to do humiliating things drawing attention to a speech impediment. specifically targeted this individual to aggravate him and take advantage of him for 2 hours. That clearly falls under the guidelines quoted. Having listened to the whole recording I can not find at any point where Erotica1 continually and maliciously humiliated the contestant. What I heard was the script used for all bonus rooms and the contestant throwing abuse left and right. Long story short he willing gave his stuff over to gamble on quadrupling it and lost. He got angry and for 30 min there was nothing but him tossing insults about, he could have backed out at any time but he didn't. Erotica1 has done nothing against the EULA. You might not agree with what he does but that is no excuse for this witch hunt you people have embarked upon. You are literally doing the very thing you are accusing Erotica1 of doing, deliberately targeting a player. First off, the EULA is not the only set of "rules" that define who or what can be said and done in game. Human decency trumps anything that a set of lawyers dreamed up, and in their worst nightmares, no one could imagine the abomination we are discussing now. CCP also is a private company, and can toss any customer they like, for any reason they like, whenever they like. Frankly, I expect one of the cartel members to ban me from the game soon enough. So just stuff your crap about the EULA and how it is some writing on some stone tablets that the players and CCP must live by, forever, unchanging, and anything not covered in the EULA must be allowed to continue. And BTW, absolutely, this slime IS being targeted and singled out. Nothing wrong with that at all. If CCP makes a very public example of him, that will have the desired chilling effect on the psychopaths like him, hopefully. There is always a first perpetrator convicted of a new law. And yes, it does not matter that the "law" is not written in the EULA. Common decency trumps that by a mile. CCP can change the EULA after the fact, or not at all. Humans should not need some idiotic words massaged by some lawyer to know right from wrong, and how to behave in society, even if that society is a cutthroat game. Hopefully CCP sets an example and sends you to a mental hospital. |

EI Digin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1918
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Posted - 2014.03.26 04:05:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:No. Today you learned how community has had enough BS, and decided to police itself. Get with the program or leave.
By the way, only E1 will take the fall for this if you play your cards right. You should jump ship while you can. Delete all your posts, and lay low.
Are you admitting to being a vigilante and breaking the EULA and potentially the law to further your own goals? |

EI Digin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.03.26 04:07:00 -
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You guys are aware that there's a way to blow off your steam and fight eachother in game over stuff like this, right? |

EI Digin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1918
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Posted - 2014.03.26 04:14:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Xuixien wrote:The only thing that's amateur is your playing lawyer. It's cute though, I love it. Post more.
No, I'm quite serious. You guys figured you where so smart with all this, and got all the angles covered, but you've left so many gaping holes in it all that bespeak the basic stupidity of its architects. I'm genuinely disappointed. Just as well that the whole house of cards falls around your ears. It was poorly constructed to begin with. No one cares about what you have to say. |

EI Digin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.03.26 23:15:00 -
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Erotica 1 Did Nothing Wrong |

EI Digin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.03.27 02:00:00 -
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You've touched on a very important aspect of this issue.
There is no possible way that any person can officially prove that the statements on a third-party website were in fact made by the party that they claim. There is always an aspect of trust involved with computer security, and the fact that private alliance forums and many other forms of communication are not directly controlled by CCP or other approved third party there is no true trustable method of user authentication. Not to mention that screenshots can be manipulated.
As well, there's no way for you to tell that this soundcloud is truly legitimate and that the parties are who they say they are. Unless of course they admit to it in a CCP controlled forum or in game that it was them. But still, you have to trust that the content was not manipulated past the time in which they have made their admission.
Thus, the only policing that is possible to do so in a fair and equitable manner is to do so within the grounds of the game, where the environment is completely controlled by CCP and identity is guaranteed. Especially in an environment that is so metagame heavy and where people regularly take things too far for their own benefit. |
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